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reach hundreds of millions of people that were not reachable before. it used to be if you weren't living in the city where a certain cartoonist wrote it in the p paper, you couldn't see it. now everybody can see everyone's cartoons. that's huge. >> clearly so powerful, the image, again, proof once again for somebody who speaks as much as i do, a picture is worth thousands and thousands of words. what do you find makes the cartoon the mostfestive? >> well, it's a cliche, but simplicity works. and also, if you can make people think about an issue in a way that they've never thought about it before, that is all the difference that makes a powerful image, combined with some kind of twist that makes people laugh and think. like the cartoon you talked about with the bankers. you know, the bankers are complaining about the tax cut -- the tax increase that they may face soon. well, they're going to get that money back later, the next time
they shake down the federal reserve. >> we all know that. you're a writer and journalist -- actually, i don't think so. i actually believe it's so clear what they've done, over the next ten years they may have to get some politicians out. but i actually think we're goings to fix the banking system and move on. it may take longer than we like. and you were reporting from places like afghanistan. newspapers and magazines no longer put money up for this type of work. you're using donations to finance your work? >> there's a website called kickstarter.com that i've been asking for donations, pledges to help send me back to afghanistan this summer to do some unembedded journalism that i think is sorely missing, thins so many magazines don't have the money anymore. >> kickstarter.com. that does it for us. i'm dylan ratigan. up next, "hardball" with chris matthews.
keep your enemies close. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, obama visits the elephant house. president obama met with house republicans today in an extraordinary confrontation. carried live here on msnbc. it was an event the likes of which we have never seen. never seen ever, akin to the prime minister's question time over in great britain. the president took the republicans' questions up in baltimore and he did it with passion, precision and expertise. it reminded a lot of people why they voted for the guy in the first place. was history made today? a new precedent for, maybe just breaking the political gridlock in this city. don't ask, don't tell, will that policy finally be changed?
a man from pennsylvania has a unique experience of being a congressman and former navy admiral. he'll say why it's time to go. we start with president obama and the remarkable meeting with house republicans up in baltimore. here's the president at the beginning of that event today. talking about the tone of washington, and specifically, the big fight over health care. he began by saying that the main components of the bill are similar to what howard baker, bob dole and tom daschle proposed last year. let's listen. >> now, you may not agree with bob dole and howard baker, and tom, you certainly don't agree with tom daschle on much, but that's not a radical bunch. but if you were to listen to the debate, and frankly, how some of you went after this bill, you'd think that this thing was some bolshevik plot. i mean, that's how you guys
presented it. and so i'm thinking to myself, well, how is it that a plan that is pretty centrist -- no, look, i mean, i'm just saying -- i know you guys disagree -- but if you look at the facts of this bill, most independent observers would say, this is actually what many republicans -- it is similar to what many republicans proposed to bill clinton when he was doing his debate on health care. so all i'm saying is, we've got to close gap a little bit between the rhetoric and the reality. i'm not suggesting that we're going to agree on everything, whether it's on health care or energy or what have you. but if the way these issues are
being presented by the republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to impose huge government in every aspect of our lives, what happens is, you guys then don't have a lot of room to negotiate with me. i mean, the fact of the matter is that many of you, if you voted with the administration on something, are politically vulnerable in your own base, in your own party. you've given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion, because what you've been telling your constituents is, this guy's doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy america. and i would just say that we have to think about tone. it's not just on your side, by the way. it's on our side as well. this is part of what's happened in our politics. where we demonize the other side so much, that when it comes to
actually getting things done, it becomes tough to do. >> mike pence organized the meeting tea and had the first question. congressman, thanks for coming on "hardball" tonight. congratulations. let's talk technique here. is this the beginning, perhaps, of something like they have in britain? i know we're an independent country and glad to be, but they have an interesting system over there where they make the prime minister come over and answer the questions in the house. do you like that idea? >> chris, i like our system. but let me -- >> would you like to see the president regularly come to the house members, or democrats and republicans together even, and answer questions? >> well, no, not on the house floor. the prime minister of england goes to the floor of parliament because the prime minister's a member of parliament. no, that's not appropriate. but this was a good conversation. anyone that looked in today
knows that this was a frank and honest and direct conversation between house republicans and the president of the united states. it was serious. it was respectful. but republicans made their point, which is, i believe, going to be news to maybe some of your viewers, and that is, whether it be on stimulus or on budget, or on energy on health care, republicans far away from being the party of no, as we've heard from this administration, and democrats in congress, the republicans offered substantive alternatives on all of those issues in the last year. we've presented the president with a summary of those. he acknowledged that today. oh maybe we can banish this party of no ideas business that has so dominated the public debate and get down to really debating the different philosophy of government of both parties in the days ahead. that's what we did today. >> what compromise would you say yes to on health care? what compromise? on health care, for example. give me the main details. >> you know, i was -- yeah, look, the president today said
that part of the bill that he thought was moving through congress would allow people to purchase health insurance across state lines. you know, as clearly the american people have rejected this massive multi-thousand page government takeover of health care. but republicans stand ready to address the issue of the rising cost of health insurance with some incremental targeted reforms. the fact the president tea referenced allowing americans to purchase health insurance across state lines, look, we're ready to talk about it. but you've got to understand, chris, what happened today, i think was truly remarkable and welcome. and that is, we had the president of the united states, who is also the leader of the democratic party in america today, acknowledge that republicans have substantive, positive alternatives on all the major issues of the day. and this was the beginning of
the first real exchange of ideas. because you know the pelosi democrats in congress have totally shut us out of the process for the last 12 months. >> here's more from the president here today. thank you, congressman pence. here's the president. >> i am absolutely committed to working with you op these issues. but it can't just be political assertions that aren't substantiated when it comes to the actual details of policy. because otherwise, we're going to be selling the american people a bill of goods. i mean, easiest thing for me to do on the health care debate would have been to tell people that what you're going to get is guaranteed health insurance, lower your costs, all the insurance reforms. we're going to lower the cost of medicare and medicaid, and it won't cost anybody anything.
that is great politics. it's just not true. >> was the president right, there's no free lunch in health care? >> well, look, of course, there are all kinds of choices to be made in the development of public policy. but i think i remember that moment, i was a few feet away from the president at the time, i think he was talking to congressman tom price, he alluded to our solutions, our better solutions handbook that we handed out today available at gop.gov if you want to look through it, and i think he thought our proposals were just the summary references on the page of the better solutions book. and tom price of georgia and myself went on to say, no, we have substantive, detailed bills that were filed in the congress, that were summarily excluded from consideration by your party on capitol hill. and the president, from where i'm sitting, acknowledged that. he said he had made the hard choices. we made the hard choices, too.
you can look them up in our legislation. you know, all we've met with is a reflexive no from the party in power in congress and this administration. and i give the president his due today. he came, he listened. republicans put out our positive alternatives on all these issues that have been offered over the last year. and, you know, let the games begin. we'll start the debate on serious policy. but we've got to be at the table. we've got to have people understanding just as they put out detailed plans, we've put out detailed plans. no more of this party of no ideas, chris. >> you seem angry in your body language, congressman. you're suggesting you're mad at the guy. >> no, i'm cold. i'm freezing out here. >> i'm sorry. let me ask you the question. i have a hunch that at this point in the political battle, as you get closer to november, it's not in your party's interest for the president to achieve a modicum of success on the health care front. that it wouldn't be in your
interest to have some kind of compromise in the center, which would do, you know, preexisting conditions. something on portability. something on interstate competition for insurance companies. even if it was the agreed-upon set of accomplishments, your party really wouldn't like to see the president win this one. >> look, i'd like to see the american people win this one. i want to tell you, republicans are not opposed to health care reform that will lower the cost of health insurance, chris. we've been fighting for that. it's a serious issue facing the country. we just fundamentally disagreed with the massive big government approach that was moved in through the house and the senate. and we rejected it. i think the american people rejected it. but you like jack kemp, the late jack kemp. he was a good friend of mine. he used to quote lincoln in saying we serve our party best when we serve our country first. and i assure you if this administration, and democrats in congress, come to us with some
responsible, inkr emental proposals that are truly focused on lowering the cost of health insurance, or dealing with preexisting conditions in a fiscally responsible way, like doing medical malpractice reform, you know, we'll fight the elections out on another issue. we want to help the american people. we want to work together. >> that sounds like a smart proposal. >> it all begins with what happens today. >> you throw in preexisting conditions, malpractice, interstate competition, do something on portability, you see there enough to put together a comprehensive -- not a comprehensive, a core reform bill to reduce the costs? you think it's possible? >> yeah. take a look at the republican alternative bill. go to gop.gov. we did exactly that. with the savings in medical malpractice insurance. we beefed up the funds for preexisting conditions. and we allowed americans to purchase health insurance across state lines. you know, politics are politics,
chris, that doesn't happen any better than on "hardball." we need to do something to lower cost of health insurance in this country. but we don't need to do it by growing the size of government. >> i want to see more people insured. i also want to have more people carrying the burden. healthy people helping out healthy people. here's the president answering your question today about tax cuts. let's listen. >> here's what i'm going to do, mike. what i'm going to do is take a look at what you guys are proposing. and the reason i say this, you know, before you say okay, i think this is important to note. you know, what you may consider across the board tax cuts could be, for example, greater tax cuts for people who are making $1 billion. i may not agree to a tax cut for warren buffett. you may be calling for an
across-the-board tax cut for the banking industry right now. i may not agree to that. >> your response to that, mr. pence? >> well, i thought the president answered it pretty candidly. he said he would be willing to consider across-the-board tax cuts as long as they weren't across the board. again, the president came out today with this business hiring tax credit last tried by jimmy carter and failed. i just said to him, can't we get away from these boutique targeted tax credits and stimulus plans and just get working families, small businesses and family farms the kind of tax relief that john f. kennedy gave them across the board? ronald reagan gave them across the board. the president said no. but let the debate begin. i think the american people are with us on that one. >> maybe they are. people like tax cuts. i'm with you on this meeting today. congratulations. i think you did something for the country today and for your
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you know what they say, keep your friends close, but visit the republican caucus every few months. >> a line from the godfather. president obama met house republicans in baltimore today. it was a spirited contentious and sometimes tense 90 minutes that made for great political theater. if you like that sort of thing. we're joined by the "washington post" kerry bacon and jim vogel. i've got to get your take as journalists on this event. history making, perry? many think so. >> unusual to have a back-and-forth.
sort of like watching parliament almost. very strong questions, you know, to the president, who defended himself and called out republicans in a very aggressive way. all this, very candid debate on national television where people could see for themselves if they agree with one side or the other. >> we'll have a lot of talk about that tonight in our special later tonight. the same question to you, ken. did they make history and who looked best if we have to get competitive, which we will? >> i think obama looked good. he took their best shots. a lot of questions that weren't really questions, that were kind of loaded questions. a lot of talking points. he almost looked like the school master up there with a bunch of unruly students. one thing that i think worked to his advantage is the camera didn't pan to the questioners. the camera remained on him. behind the sort of stark background and he just kind of calmly for the most part dissected these questions. disagreeing with some of the premises behind them and came
across as having a great command of the issues and effectively leveling his allegations that republicans are obstructionists. that's what they were trying to leave the viewers with the message here. >> nixon was excellent at this kind of thing. let's look at the president telling republicans to stop making everything about politics. let's listen to the president. >> but the question i think we're going to have to ask ourselves is, as we move forward, are we going to be examining each of these issues based on what's good for the country, what the evidence tells us, or are we going to be trying to position ourselves so that come november, we're able to say the other party, it's their fault. >> isn't that what it's about, perry, trying to establish yourself on the high ground? >> i think that's exactly right,
chris. the president spent a lot of time trying to say republicans are sending me ideas and i'm taking them. look at the bills. i'm incorporating your ideas. and still you're opposing them. the republicans i thought did an artful job of making the case, they are not the party of no. if you look at the pictures from the event, one of the pictures is john boehner handing obama the list of their ideas. every republican speaker got up and said we have ideas, we have ideas, we have ideas. i think they succeeded in getting that message through, which was something they wanted to get through. >> ken vogel, in the old days, gene mccarthy used to say a candidate is simply the guy or girl who keeps saying the issues. people think you're interested in the issues. i'm speaking to the issues. this campaign's about the issues. you never have to say what they are. is that a game that republicans played today? say we've got ideas, knowing that they were right wing or far right or whatever ideas the president could never buy as a
center left political leader? your thoughts? >> this is the dynamic we'll see play itself out until november. you know, the republicans have no political incentive to cooperate and help the trks and help president obama pass any of their initiatives. however, the white house also has an interest in making them look like they're obstructing the democratic agenda. >> who's right? ken, your thoughts? if you were a reasonable republican and you came up to the president, or rahm emanuel and you sat down and said, look, i know you guys want a bill. i can deliver 20% of the republican caucus if you throw in tort reform, malpractice reform, caps on damage suits. i'm going to give you something you've never had before. and you can add it onto your stuff and i'll vote with you, because it's so important to my manufacturers and business people. is there 20% of the caucus that would do that to pass the filibuster? >> i don't think so. they've had really great discipline. that's one thing you can say for
the republicans as they were seen searching for some identity and soul on issues. they continue to have that party discipline where they voted in block against, you know, any number of -- from the health care vote in the senate, to a number of the sort of stimulus votes. they voted in block. this is not like lbj where he's leading the senate democrats to support eisenhower's plans. there is no incentive for republicans to help obama. and there is, however, an incentive to make it look like they have ideas. that's why i think we'll see, and john boehner has sort of signaled we'll see something akin to the 1994 contract with america. >> here it comes. that's an election document, not a legislative document. here's the tone in washington. let's hear it. and perry, you respond to this. >> we've got to be careful about what we say about each other sometimes, because it boxes us in in ways that makes it difficult for us to work together, because our constituents start believing us. they don't know sometimes this
just politics, what you guys -- you know, or folks on my side do sometimes. so just a tone of civility instead of slash and burn would be helpful. >> your thoughts, perry, on that question? is this going to count to anybody but the public outside washington? >> if you remember the exchange, the president a few minutes later talked about the fact that republicans have so demonized him on the conservative -- among conservatives, a lot of conservatives who support him in fact would be a primary challenge if they supported an obama health care plan and wemt to an agreement with him. i think that well may have already been poisoned which obama already conceded himself. if you remember the last part of the event today, he started praising paul ryan saying he had lots of good ideas. he said after that, no, no, no, i don't really mean it, because i don't want to be get the ball
running to the primary. i'm not sure anyone can meet him at the middle like senate candidates and house candidates among republicans. >> isn't paul ryan the congressman who is pro-life but trying to find a common ground between the pro-choice and pro-life people? isn't he that one, perry? >> i believe that's tim ryan. >> tim ryan, you're right. you're dead right. that's exactly right. >> a democrat, i think, yes. >> a different ryan. >> paul ryan is -- yes. >> let me ask about the headline tomorrow, perry. as you crafted for tomorrow's "washington post." what is it? what's the headline? unique meeting, or what in. >> yeah, it was mainly -- the story we wrote today was mainly about obama defends himself in front of perhaps his harshest critics. the house republicans vote against everything he does and they speak very negatively of him. it was obama defending himself in the toughest crowd possible.
>> yeah. same question to you, ken. we're going to be repeating huge chunks of this throughout the evening here on "hardball" and also msnbc throughout the night. your thoughts, ken, about the headline's going to be in politico when i read it next. >> obama gop -- actually, obama/gop trades barbs. it was interesting house republicans refer to them as a conference. obama referred to them as a caucus. he also whether purposefully or not got the first name wrong of his final questioner, jeb, he called him jim several times, even several times after they corrected him. there was contentiousness even as both sides went into this with billing it as a way to sort of produce a productive dialog. i don't think we're going to see much change. >> that's an old irish trick. my grandfather used to do it. get the other guy's name wrong. it drives them crazy. especially when they know you're
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shape. it would certainly be a tough game. the only time i spoke to him was election night and i did challenge him to pick his best and i'll take my daughter who plays at boston college. we would challenge on a little two-on-two. >> you heard it. that is a challenge going out tonight? >> yes. >> it doesn't hurt to try. i'm impressed with brown's pr. we'll see if he's got the stuff. he's got the truck, but let's see if he has the cargo. michael brown, the fema director who took the dunce cap for the government's creeky response to hadn't. host of a denver radio station's show, to give the insider's political view of the process. god help them in denver. next, you say, well, you say talk of a john edwards love tape is too wild to be true. consider this. rielle hunter has just been granted a restraining order by
the courts to suppress what the court filing calls, quoting here, a personal video recording that depicted matters of a very private and personal nature. somebody should have thought of restraint a little before all this. coming up, the hot debate over don't ask, don't tell, president obama vows to get rid of it this year. he vows to start to get rid of it this year. we'll talk to a retired navy admiral who is taking on arlen specter in the primary. welcome to the now network. three skiers are trapped on a chairlift, each with one of sprint's best 3g phones. carl passes the time searching for apps on his samsung moment with google. candice mixes business with pleasure on the newest blackberry curve, america's favorite smartphone, now even smarter. and rose is getting updated on her sleek and slim palm pixi. once again, bringing you the nation's best lineup of phones and its first and only wireless 4g network. deaf, hard-of-hearing and people with speech disabilities, access www.sprintrelay.com.
hit, falling 31 points. stocks started the day on the upside after reports showing growth in the gdp midwest manufacturing, and uptick in consumer confidence. the dollar hitting the highest levels on those reports. but that led to the declines in energy shares and commodities. techs weighing heavily on the markets today after a slew of earnings reports turning towards higher profits, but weaker outlooks. microsoft was the biggest decliner on the dow falling more than 3%. intel, apple and ibm also finishing in the red. there were a few bright spots. home depot up 2.5%. the biggest gainer on the dow. sghrchlts that's it from cnbc first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball." this year i will work with congress and our military to finally repeal the law that
denies gay americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president obama declaring in his state of the union address he will get congress to repeal the congress' tonight ask, don't tell policy. a retired navy admiral also says it's time for the policy to go. were you surprised, admiral and congressman, that this was coming, this decision by the president to push again to get rid of don't ask, don't tell? >> i was relieved it finally did come. i had written the president last year we should have done something for our ideals for this particular issue last year. i'm glad he's actually asking the pentagon to propose how to do it in the budget coming forth next week. >> do you think he will operate under the generals and admirals or wait for them to form a consensus? will he wait for a deal with them or push them? >> this is a time where
leadership is needed. there should not be waiting for leadership in the pentagon to act. look, this is an issue about quaul rights. if you've been on an aircraft carrier, and you've been there, chris. 5,000 sailors. their average age, 19 1/2. this is where these youth, they tonight care if somebody's gay. the leadership, if they want to lead, better get ahead of the troops. this is one where the commander in chief needs to say, make it happen. >> by the way, i was on an aircraft carrier once, and the guys were great. the ksm trial in new york. next question. a hot one. should the president -- should we, the attorney general and the government, try khalid shaikh mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, in new york city in a criminal trial? >> i'm surprised we're not going to be able to. look, i read an article today that said they might take 2,500 police, a lot of check points. wait a moment here. i remember working at the white
house when president clinton was there, and i just drove past it the other day. we're able to protect the white house which we have to protect almost more than anything else, without having checkpoints four miles away. i don't understand why we can't do it. but if we can't do it downtown new york city, we should do it in the southern district of new york city. why? military tribunals twice have been told by the supreme court you're insufficient. there's an individual there who murdered, he should be brought to justice. and then he should be sentenced to the appropriate punishment, even death, by u.s. citizens for the harm he's done to this nation. let's have justice done. >> okay. third question. something of a standstill, a real road block with regard to getting a health bill. the senate has a bill passed, the house has a bill passed. do you support some action by the house on the senate billfold by some reconciliation action in both houses? is that your solution? >> here's my solution.
we should take those elements that both sides agree on. it would p impossible that the republicans agreed on preexisting conditions should not longer be denial of health care, that women should not pay 50% more than men. let's get them through. we would really be calling out the other side if they didn't agree to those. in a very tlib rat, very deliberate month or two way, finally the democratic leadership finally showing some leadership, go out to the public and say, here's what we're trying to do. republicans, you've got a better option? and let's start discussing this and showing to the public why our bill is good. and why there's not -- or if they do have something, we can do a principal compromise. with 14,000 americans losing their health bill, i would vote for 51-49 to get it through. let's to something. let's make sure we explain it to the public. >> let's take a look at this latest poll out of pennsylvania. hot race for the united states
senate. a poll for the general election has pat toomey now beating the incumbent republican turned democrat specter. the senator 45% to 31%. how do you explain that huge advantage right now by the conservative republican toomey over the new incumbent democrat specter. >> it's the same message i saw in july when i was going to the 67 counties in pennsylvania. washington establishment told me to sit down and not to run. we're tired of the establishment to dictate interest for us. what you saw in massachusetts was writing on the wall that if any leadership of the distribute establishment had been looking around the corner trying to listen, they would have been leading and wouldn't have been dictating arlen specter. who has actually savaged us with the recession as a establishment's nominee? no. this is a rightfully anti-incumbency crowd that is saying we want a change in
politics, not just policy. >> this is among registered voters by franklin & marshall. how do you make that up? apparently half the voters in pennsylvania on the democrats' side haven't figured out what they want to say, because you only get 13% and 30% accounted for so far. where are they going? >> that's terrific. as you can see, i'm through the line in the secondary. already headed towards the goalline. as ed rendell, the governor said the other evening, at this stage of the game, when i was running against the establishment, bob casey, ed rendell said i was 27 points down. so this is where you see those 55%, and that's why i've done -- looking for a different candidate. that's why i've done in 25 counties, 23 days over 200 events. i just got back downtown phillie to talk to you. this is why i really am glad that somebody stood up to say to washington establishment, there's no more kings, there's no more king makers, you can't
tick date to pennsylvanians who or nominee will be. i think you'll see people are actually voting for someone who will say, throw out the politics as usual. deal making. and let's be in it for the working family. that's what massachusetts was saying. >> okay. good luck. i like a good fight. congressman joe sestak trying to knock off arlen specter. more on president obama's meeting today with house republicans. that is a ton of pepperoni.
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bernard, and ann kornbluth. we were looking at spots, not right then, but throughout the day, a lot of talk about the big event today. let's look at it now. here's more from president obama. we've been talking about it all tonight. he was meeting with republicans up in baltimore, a republican retreat. the democratic president in this case went to a republican hideaway and took them on issue by issue. here he is, today. >> you've given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion, because what you've been telling your constituents is, this guy's doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy america. and i would just say that we have to think about tone. it's not just on your side, by the way. it's on our side as well. this is part of what's happened in our politics. where we demonize the other side so much, that when it actually comes to getting things done, it becomes tough to do.
>> he seems to self-edit like he's saying something that's clearly partisan. then he feels the need to correct it. a new reiteration going on. it's not just you. >> it's important he did that. i love this. i think this is good government. i think the american public likes it. >> you like the british -- >> i'm completely entertained by it. i wish he would do it every single week. i watched paul ryan the other day on another network and i'm a big fan of paul ryan. >> republican from wisconsin. >> i think he's a future leader for the republican party. what i like paul ryan said we're going to continue to give the president our proposals. and he's never responded before. let's see if he responds. the president went to them. so many people are cynical and feel bipartisanship is a waste of time and it will never happen. so many people think that
bipartisanship is -- >> i'm not cynical but i think the democrats are in enough trouble right now that they'd like to go bipartisan. are they triumphant enough to say die. i don't think they want to help him with the health care reform. everything they won, do you think -- is there ever any evidence that they'd like a deal? >> not on health but ongoing forward, there are issues that are going to be coming up where they say, look, we've called you out. we're going to -- >> how about a big fat jobs bill? >> that's the challenge. i mean, that's the gauntlet that the president is throwing down. we all thought that the state of the union is going to be the big event of this week. we saw this with the nobel speech, which came after the
moment -- >> you have to wonder. the sudden announcement -- now, he also has been around. this idea that he's suddenly coming back in. this is certainly his style, to take the strong position and to challenge the republicans strongly. >> he needed to. >> i thought it was a grand speech. like eisenhower. someone above the battle saying, okay, on both sides, let's get our act together. >> i thought that he struck the right tone. i liked this even better. i liked him going to the republicans saying, i'm here. you challenged me. let's talk about it. just because you don't get 100% of what you want, doesn't mean thaw don't have a responsibility to govern. and i think he'll say that to the democrats, too. find common ground. >> the more than we learn that it takes 61% to gain some ground, the 40% can stop anything. the republican party can kill anything in the senate now. >> well, i think that's one of the reasons that you see obama engaging him the way he is. he's educated people.
and after supporters of scott brown's 41-41 -- >> they know it. >> they know it. >> you can't blame democrats for not getting something done if the republicans had the ability to kill everything. >> i don't think the american public are thinking that the republicans can stop everything in the congress. i think they are sick whether it's republican or democrat -- >> who do you blame for not getting things done? >> i blame all of them. >> how do you make them do something? i think the president was trying to embarrass them into acting into the state of the union. you know what i mean? >> he was. >> he was actually applaud twice on health care. >> i think what he did today and continuing to do it and trying to find common ground is going to work. >> here's the president on deficit. let's listen. >> the fact of the matter is, when we came into office, the deficit was $1.3 trillion.
1.3. so when you say that suddenly i've got a monthly budget that is higher than the -- or a monthly deficit higher than the annual deficit led by the republicans, that's factually not true. and you know it's not true. >> we'll be back with more of their answers. what's challenging back and forth. tit for tat. big history today. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 just for being a client. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 i mean, shouldn't i be able to talk about my money tdd# 1-800-345-2550 without it costing me a fortune? tdd# 1-800-345-2550 if i had my way, investment firms would be tdd# 1-800-345-2550 falling all over themselves to help me with my investments. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 (announcer) at schwab investors rule. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 are you ready to rule?
i'm back with michelle bernard and ann. ann, i noticed ease very good on the knowledge of numbers. don't blame me for the deficit. i heard $1.3 trillion deficit. don't blame me for the unemployment rate. it went up $700,000 in 2008. he went up each month to ensure that 2 million jobs were lost for. >> and he got a lot of -- i was a random questions, but he was able to walk one person through the entire inner neck nichls of the business administration. but that notwithstanding, what i found more remarkable about the exchange today was the passion question. you know, it was just three days ago that everyone was saying, he's too cool. is he going to show that in the state of the union. is he going to be a fighter? >> he doesn't like that charge, by the way. >> he